I’m… astounded.

Not being in California, I haven’t seen any of the campaigning that went on for Prop 8. So probably, everybody but me already knows the tactic its promoters used. Sorry if this scrapes against wounds.

I read a humorous blog that satirizes young married Mormon women. And it’s mostly read by Mormon women, and in the comment thread for it, I got my insight into the ‘yes’ tactic, and the heartache some of the promoters have been through.

See, apparently, Prop 8 protects religious freedom.  That’s one of the most twisted representations I’ve ever seen. But now that I know the slogan, I can better understand how so many Californians could vote for it. The detailed reasoning seems to go something like this: if gay marriage is legalized, religious organizations, religious-funded organizations and religious care and service providers could be forced to comply with laws despite their religious beliefs. So… (they might say) it’s not that they hate gays or support discrimination, they just want to keep the separation of state and religion intact, and not have their religious tenets subverted by governmental intrusion.

And in this blog’s comment thread, there were many dedicated campaigners who were exhausted and heartbroken at how many friends they’d lost over their passionate defense of freedom.

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2 thoughts on “I’m… astounded.”

  1. From what’s been posted at bitchphd, the common arguments that swayed people were that it would mean gay marriage would be taught in school and that it could mean their priests would be arrested for discriminating against gays.

    I honestly don’t understand how people can be taken in by these arguments. The government has anti-gender-discrimination laws and many religions still don’t allow women to be priests/reverends. Heck, one portion of the lutheran church was debating if women were allowed to have even lay leadership positions within the church other than possibly organizing potlucks and sunday school and church cleaning/decorations.

    There is nothing that I know of that says a priest/reverend has to marry you. It doesn’t matter if you are a part of his congregation, he can say no if he likes for whatever reason he likes. He can set rules that he won’t marry you until you do some counseling with him or someone else or you other-faith SO converts or whatever. Maybe people just don’t understand this part or I’m wrong, I dunno. My brother and SIL couldn’t get married in the church because they had to ask 3 months in advance and do counseling and since she was already pregnant they didn’t want to wait. I believe Neil and Stacy also had problems finding a rabbi to perform their ceremony though I’m not sure which reasons exactly were cited but I think the interfaith/not-part-of-congregation parts were the problems.

    Now government officials are a whole other matter. And there are debates raging about how anti-discrimination hiring laws apply to religious organizations that accept federal money, but passing this doesn’t stop those debates.

    Anyway, I have more thoughts but I’m on break and now I have to go back to work. Whee!

  2. It is tragic, in a way. Everyone’s locked into a worldview where their side is self-evidently moral and the other side actively evil, and it’s legitimately hard to see the other point of view. And so people trying to do the right thing are destroying friendships, in a rather permanent way – their former friends now not only don’t like them, but think they’re _bad people_. And they don’t understand why.

    This could go for either side, by the way.

    Now, the examples in that article are missing some very key facts. (Like, the Mormon Church does adoptions in Massachusetts and doesn’t allow gay adoptions, because it’s a _private_ firm and the Catholic adoptions was done on a _public_ contract.) There’s literally not one true tale of religious rights being trampled on. Which makes it even more sad – these people are throwing away their reputations on ideals supported by trickery and lies. They don’t know this, so they echo them, and people see them as liars and hate-filled, and those people are _right_.

    I guess when it comes down to it, I find it hugely tragic when people try to do what they think is the right thing, and it turns out to be wrong and destructive. As opposed to someone who just honestly doesn’t like gay people and wants to hurt them – that’s not tragic, it’s just regular evil. I wonder how many of them will ever realize they’ve been tricked, that the entire premise of their campaign was built on shifting sand? I wonder if some will feel remorse?

    It’s a true shame that so many good citizens are getting punished by this nonsense, too.

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